For context: I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD and I somehow need to get an app on there that only has a flatpak release
Don’t your filesystem deduplicate it on the fly anyway?
Everyone brazenly saying Flatpak is the best install package management system has stockholm syndrome.
Agreed. Snap is. It can do desktop and system components.
And you get the glorious security of beingwatched over by a profit-focused company and protected by a closed to proprietary server.
Like much software, it’s great - for some situations. And ugly for others.
It is the best one for people that don’t know a lot about linux. Many people are at a loss when they read basic errors like
fatal error: <header>.h: No such file or directoryorld: cannot find -l<library>. Flatpak solves a lot of that by specifically including all of it in the installation.So ye, for non-power users, flatpak is the best package manager. It also has only one downside, which is the increased storage requirement for apps as they have to bring all of their dependencies themselves, which is okay these days as storage isn’t that expensive anymore.
And everything is better than fucking snap if we’re honest for a second.
I really don’t understand the flatpak hate. Stuff doesn’t magically work across distros, and app devs don’t usually want to debug every major one. If you’re running linux on a thinkpad from 2004, sure, it wouldn’t be the best but most people can probably afford the overhead.
Linux people tend to have very strong opinions lol. I don’t get the hate either, but I do understand why people dislike the thought of having the same library lying around multiple times. I am one of those “purists”, but that’s why I compile most things from source
I miss the days when packages were only available as deb or tar.gz
I don’t : )
Me neither, I really like the usability of flatpak
1- Those locale and icon themes will be reused with other flatpacks. And it’s less than half of a gigabyte, not the 2tb claimed in the overlay text.
2- Use docker container with prowlarr instead of torrhunt. And check https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/piracy
Flatpak is only useful in distros that lack few packages
Void Linux is the Definition of „lacks a few packages”
I agree
I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD
Are you using a first gen eeePC?
I think I bought one of those for 40€, 12 years ago.Its a Fujitsu futro s920, got it off ebay
Man I miss the netbooks! Loved my Mini 9
In an alternate universe, phones with a fold-out hardware keyboard and full Linux OS are common.
And you can just plug them into a docking station to get a full PC.That alternate universe is this one in 2009… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900
I put OSX on mine. A $200 Macbook mini was a cool project and a neat conversation piece.
Are you me? I hackintoshed mine too for a while! Was still alternating between OSX and Linux at the time.
I wish I had moved to Linux sooner. I was in IT at the time and only saw windows and OSX in the wild. Servers were all windows except for one xserve. I still to this day have no idea what that server did for that customer. My only real experience with Linux at that time was FreePBX when setting up phone systems for offices.
Thirded on the hackentosh.
I can neither confirm nor deny I got my hands on one years later and flipped it on fleBay with the Mac OS on it.
Oh lmao, I decided to look into this. https://github.com/flathub/com.ktechpit.torrhunt/blob/master/com.ktechpit.torrhunt.yaml
Looks like it just downloads the .snap package (directly from Canonical’s website) and extracts it. It’s also, of course, completely closed source so who knows what it’s doing when it’s running.
It’s also, of course, completely closed source so who knows what it’s doing when it’s running.
Ah, yes. The Pinnacle of security
Lots of people seem to like it. I also use it for like 2 or 3 desktop apps, but it’s alao littering my filesystem with gigabytes of runtimes. And I believe I can salely remove Skype now…
Who likes having their hard drive space wasted?
I like flatpaks when they come from the developer. They are often more stable, up-to-date and complete than those from OS repositories.
What I don’t like about them is when I have to fight the permissions. They’re often too tight and make integration with the rest of the OS too hard.
Here’s a rarely known secret of the Linux world. Almost no software in a Linux system came from the developer.
Every single distro, package manager or repository is handled by people who did not develop the software being packaged. The few exceptions are the software who distributes their own .deb/.rpm, appimage, flatpak or their own repository. But the bulk of tools, utilities and apps were handled by the people managing the distribution or the distro main repository. No sane developer has the team or the time to config, compile, package, and test their software to every single Linux distro that exists. Hence why Dev distributed versions are usually targeted to single channels and to specific distros and versions. Packages compatibility is a literal hell.
Shoulda just used nix B)
Nix is very interesting, but a completely new rope to shoot yourself in the foot. A new hell is still new though.
People who like having fine-grained security controls over their apps?
And the only possible way to have that is to burn through disk space?
As far as I know, yes. You tell me the alternative if you’ve got it.
There is no reason that you couldn’t, for instance, bind-mount the host’s nvidia drivers into the container namespace when launching the flatpak. Would avoid having to download the driver again, and reduce runtime memory pressure since the driver code pages would be shared between everything again.
I don’t have the time to make a “stop doing math” meme for Unix permissions
So don’t change the defaults?
Technically it’s empty space that’s being wasted, if you fill it up it’s being useful!
Idk, probably all the people who downvoted OP and the majority of people here on Lemmy I met in discussions about Flatpak & Co. And If I look at the average size of a modern Windows installation, I’d say at least 70% of desktop users to begin with.
The benefits easily outweighs the cost of some extra space use. We’re not talking about a lot here, after all, with dedupping, shared runtimes and what have you.
No one does, but people like it when you install an application and it just works. It makes it easier to install applications regardless of which distro you’re on as well.
Gigabytes?
I have a bunch of apps installed and it is only a little over a gigabyte.
Interesting. I have 4 tools installed as Flatpaks and that makes 4.4 GB
What tools?
Then just unpack said flatpak, there are tools for that.
Another missed occasion to have taken a screenshot. There’s gnome-screenshot, scrot, your DE’s integrated tool and so many others to choose from, you can do it!
That sort of shit makes me hate the modern internet. (Also screenshots are cleaner and therefore compress better since you seem to care (rightfully) about storage space.)
Yeah but if youre using a lemmy app on your phone its significantly faster to just use your phone camera rather than having to share/transfer the file over somehow, or sign into lemmy on your pc. Im not saying you’re wrong, but i get why someone wouldn’t care for a quick throwaway post. Also storage then isnt an issue on the PC at all because the image is only on the phone.
Phones also have limited storage?
Regardless, posting on the desktop is exactly as hard as typing in the name of your instance and your credentials…
If you’re gonna be editing a meme, typing comments and such, it’s worth it very fast imo.
And crucially, it’s a really basic form of respect for your audience. Oh and also framing the shot correctly, we’re missing part of the text…
Yeah flatpak won’t work on my Nokia 3310 either, what a shit software…
I’m too old to pick up stuff from the ground, I use one of them claws on a stick. Also, the 3210 was a nice phone while the 3310 was for the hip kids.
Storage is cheap, I don’t care at all as long as I can easily install it without having to go online to search for missing dependencies in the correct version.
My only problem with Flatpak was when I tried to install an IDE and made it use Podman or Docker and the container thingy caused problems.
“x is cheap” is not the greatest take imo. it’s cheap until you just so happen to not be able to afford it. what now? better give me an income for the price in storage. not talking about flatpak specifically.
This. Any many laptops use eMMC, meaning that you can’t just increase the OS storage.
what kind of app only bundles a flatpak? Surely there’s manual install instructions?
Definitely, no way the git doesn’t have info on how to build it from source or at least a Deb package download. I assume it’s people who are annoyed their distro doesn’t have that software in the repos but it’s on flathub.
Or alternatively… crzyshrtct was not found on your host, but is required, daddy. Please install it to be able to use the software.
No problem, just makr sure your system has the exact version of libraries the application needs. And oh, you will only update those dependencies when the application update updates the requirements.
Oh what’s that? Another application you want to install uses the same lib but different version? Tough luck, chump!
Seriously it’s either flatpaks or the multi-version dependency management that openSUSE has, and you’re not saving much more space here either.
or statically compiling literally everything then you got 50 copies of the same thing like windows & macos!
8GB SSD
There’s your problem. The last time 8GB was plenty was in 1998.
Yup. Those 64 GB SSDs many retailers put into cheap laptops already come dangerously close to violating the Geneva Convention. 8GB is just stupid, even for a Linux system.
Even cheap SD cards are larger these days. The smallest SSD you can buy in the UK right now is 250GB.
Amazon sells 24 GB ones…
Oh really? Wow! Still 3x more than 8GB though :)
Yeah, TinyCore Linux needs 16GB I think. 8GB you might run BusyBox or something
Are they booting of an SD card? Mabey is a Pi or WiFi router?
No need to hate on someone for their hardware.
Reading through the comments here, the Linux community slowly seems move away from “runs on about every piece of hardware you can think of” to “if you don’t have at least the Nimbus 2000 that’s on you, sucker!”
don’t wanna be mean to any demographic but it’s literally the windows gamer converts. Not all of them though. At the same time that kills the other linux elites of “you don’t compile gentoo from scratch on every system?” so…
Gotta run FFMMLXIV at 94fps and 173hz @3890x2669 resolution otherwise you’re betraying the “Linux is the best gaming OS” movement we’ve all sworn fealty to.
