Nano is just better and I’ll happily die on this hill
I use nano for editing config files in the terminal. For everything else I use VSCodium. Roast me.
You already did that yourself
I use Mint, BTW.
It is very fast
We will die together brother…
NANO FOR LIFE
OK, I can see the whites of your eyes.
No
Nano is easier to get into, but far more limited.
And easier to get out of…
Is it? If it wasn’t printed on the bottom, would you really be able to guess Ctrl+X, Y, Enter any easier than colon, q, Enter?
xoff ignored mumble mumble
The key difference here is “it’s printed at the bottom”.
I don’t immediately need a user guide to tell me how to save and exit the program
skill issue
Is no one gonna talk about neovim or are we all just like set the alias and forgot that we are inside neovim and not vim or vi
The comments on this post went exactly like they have over the past 20 years, with one exception.
Emacs is all but forgoten.
Vim wins.
you have offended all 6 of us, prepare for retribution
When people are free to choose the best editor for them, we ALL win.
Unless it happens to be Ms word, in which case we all lose
Recently, I recommended to a friend that basic vim/vi is worth learning because it’s a baseline that you can always trust will be there across different Linux systems.
They asked me what I used most on my home system, and the answer was emacs, but I was very clear that I was not recommending it. It’s a particular kind of person who finds themselves at home in emacs, and for everyone besides those people, selling them on emacs would feel like persuading them to do hard drugs.
Didn’t even macs have vi?
Yes and it’s better than TextEdit that is bundled with MacOs
Basically every Unix-derived OS comes with vi. Emacs came out in 1976, macs didn’t exist until 1984.
Be real fukin careful now. You’ll tear my enacs from my cold dead hands
(But yeah, I use evil-mode. Also I edit files on remote servers with vim. I’m a traitor…)
I think there’s a good reason for that. If you’re not as concerned about resource consumption (Emacs used to be called “Eight Megabytes and Constantly Swapping”, back when 8MB was a lot), then there’s no reason to avoid even more complex and resource intensive IDEs. People who wanted a complex editor, but in a relatively small footprint, stuck with some variant of vi.
Thus, vi found a stable evolutionary niche. It’s a tardigrade.
I like micro
Coding in Ansible?
You write Ansible playbooks to automate infrastructure management. But calling it a coding language might be a stretch it is just yaml
Op, what do you find more offputting: emacs or neovim?
We don’t want a viditor, we want an editor. Why? Because ed is the standard!
On the system I administrate,
viis symlinked toedadministrate
Mike Tyson?
Bro you forgot the ‘m’ at the end of vi
And the i, c, r, and o. In fact keep the vi.
Vi hasn’t been updated since 2005. Aren’t everyone just using vim or neovim?
I use whatever the machine gives me when I type
vi, I assume it’s usually vimHuh,
vifor me has always been actual vi, not vim. Didn’t know some systems symlink vi to vim.Vim is the preferred experience, so it’s for end users. Unless you have a system with no real addons and classic *nix environment, you’re almost always going to be using Vim. Alpine linux is a good example of a stripped down environment that still uses Vi.
A long time ago, someone posted advocating symlinking
vitoemacs. Evil, but entertaining.vim has a limited “vi-mode” that it uses if you call it as vi. so it could still be vim.
Ohh that makes more sense. Yeah perhaps, although come to think of it I still need to install vim from the package manager even if vi works fresh out of the box so maybe not?
i think there’s also a
vim-minithat gets installed by default in some debian-based distros.
Not to imply that Vi is perfect, but Vi is perfect. What do you need an update for? /s
Emacs
(ducks)
This is the way.
link the vi command to emacs, and you’ll be able to say you use vi
you’ll be able to say you use vi
I haven’t wanted to say that in the 32 years I’ve had the choice.
oh ok then link the emacs command to vi and you’ll be able to keep saying you use emacs while using a better text editor 👍
(please dont kill me this is a joke i dont even use vi please have mercy please spare me please please please)
EMACS. It’s the superior text editor.
I’d say it’s a superior text editor.
It’s a text editor?
Emacs
It’s a sound choice. I don’t like to use it, personally, because I want to use something that uses same motions and syntax as editors on servers that I don’t own (ex. customers). And, I’m not a fan of Lisp. It’s a great and (self-)extensible text editor/lisp interpreter, though.
I use vi from an Emacs Shell, which was spawned from an Emacs GUI.
bro tryin’ to summon a demon… /s
Emacs is what the unified linux desktop should be
I dislike Evil, and would never recommend it to anyone looking for a modal editing solution for Emacs. I would rather break my pinky with the modifiers than use Evil.
- Evil is SLOOWWW: its startup time is 10x longer than other modal editing packages.
- It has high cost of integration with other packages; editing-related packages rarely play well with Evil unless specifically designed for it.
- We can do better than vi. Nowadays, there are some more modern alternatives to vi, like Kakoune that fix some of the fundamental problems with vi. One such problem is the fact that you cannot know what you are acting on until after the command completes: Kakoune solves this by having a unique
noun verbsyntax rather than vi’sverb nounsyntax. This means that you get constant feedback about what you’re acting on before you act on it, since objects are always highlighted.
Instead, for anyone looking for a serious and actually good modal editing, I would suggest them to try out meow. It fixes all of the problems I mentioned above, and makes more improvements to the
viexperience that I didn’t mention.
No
Ah, nice one! Didn’t realize it could even be done.
It isn’t as dumb as it sounds, honestly! I used to use DBeaver and it is a fantastic project, but I really wanted Vim keybinds to construct my queries as they can sometimes be quite large. There used to be a plugin that added the functionality but it stopped working on my machine. This Vim plugin is essentially a wrapper for the CLI SQL client (psql in my case), so using it actually kind of makes sense, I think.
The biggest issue I faced was exporting the results, but I just created a function in my ~/.vimrc that copies all the text of the results to a new tab and formats it however I want. CSV, HTML, JSON, XML, Markdown, whatever I need is all there and predefined. All I have to do is call
:ExportToMarkdownand off I go.
What makes 6 so popular?
Because vii viii ix
LXIX my balls! Haha got’em.
Believe it or not, this is the second time I got to make that joke within an hour.
* laughs in Latin *
VI is life
If you don’t have one to begin with, sure, I guess. For everyone else, there’s Nano.
Skill issue
Vi has a shit design issue
Java? vi!
COBOL? vi!
SVG? Believe it or not, vi!/s
SVG, unironically yes. There’s a few times where I found a library or WYSIWYG editor making some strange choices for its SVG output, and I had to fix it manually.
BMP? vi and control-v!
WAV? There’s probably a plugin for that!
in highschool my physics teacher used vim to write stuff, like most times when checking if everyone was in class he’d just open vim and type people’s name in there
