Me but in reverse
I use vim btw
I use neovim btw
I use vim, aliased to vi, on Arch btw.
codium > code
The full name is VScodium. https://vscodium.com/
Codium is a genus of edible green macroalgae.
That sounds tasty, where do I buy it?
South Korea is the leading consumer and producer of farmed Codium (commonly known as cheonggak)
Search for that.
(In homer Simpsons voice) Mmmmmm. Macroalgae.
Ooooh thank you for reminding me I need to make this switch
To you, @toothpaste_ostrich@feddit.nl, and anyone else planning to do the switch:
Back when I was still a VSC(odium) user, you needed to perform a small tweak to regain access to the quite useful extensions marketplace (in the sense of, paste the extension ID, see the same results as a M$ VSCode user*): There is a file named
product.json
which allows you to “regain” access if you populate it with the following values:{ "extensionsGallery": { "serviceUrl": "https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/_apis/public/gallery", "itemUrl": "https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items", "cacheUrl": "https://vscode.blob.core.windows.net/gallery/index", "controlUrl": "" } }
(Taken from my old dotfiles, so this may be outdated, not sure. Also, you’ll have to look up the location of this file, it will differ depending on OS. On macOS it goes in
~/Library/Application Support/VSCodium
.)*If you do not need this 1:1 identical functionality, you may try the Open VSX marketplace. But especially in a class setting, I found this very useful, since all the tutorials/instructions will work without needing adaptation.
Good to know, thanks for passing this on!
Hadn’t heard of this, but I’m going to switch now!
helix gang anyone?
:3
epic editor :3
Helix is much faster than neovim, but annoyingly it feels so limited. Can’t change anything about it.
But it’s supposed to get plugins at some point.
👋 present!
I plan on moving to a nice Neovim setup eventually, but VSCodium is so convenient out of the box for a baby developer like me.
You’ll be glad to know that the difficulty comes from the syntax and very little from any programming skill level. You learn new ways of writing certain code structures like indented curly braces for example. Programming python might be easier than cpp in vim, not due to the language, but just cpp having more complex syntax to type.
Tldr, almost exactly the same amount of effort whether you’ve been coding for two weeks or two years.
“But guys, gtfomp” - emacs
I switched to zed too. It’s not perfect but it’s just nice to use a different editor that is not sluggish.
Just out of interest, what are the reasons someone would move from neovim to helix?
I switched after development ended on the package manager I was using on neovim. I didn’t at that moment want to simplify my vimconfig, so I looked into helix.
Helix highlights the action you take, so if for example, you are deleting 5 lines, you select the lines first then hit delete. Sometimes the vim actions end up taking fewer keystrokes though. And I still prefer some ways vim does things. And I don’t always agree with the kakoune inspiration of helix (I haven’t used kakoune, just going by what the docs say) - for example, movement always selects text which I then have to unhighlight.
But the biggest reason I stuck to helix was sane LSP defaults out of the box with minimal config. I was tired of having to fix LSP related bugs in my vim config after package updates.
TLDR: saner defaults for helix + lazy to fix my bloated vimconfig.
i have sort of done this. the main thing is that the reversed object-verb command model just… latches onto your brain. this is from kakoune of course, but it just makes a lot of sense coming from vimland. multicursor I’ll also nice because it removes some modes, meaning there in less state to keep in your head. finally, the plug-and-play nature of helix meats you can have an lsp-enabled environment from the word go, with no configuration.
That’s a good enough excuse for me to try it! Thanks.
Immediately after you install helix, you can start working, no config required. It’s really nice.
It also has OOTB LSP, unlike in neovim where you have to setup manually for each installed LSP, helix just detects it. I also personally think it has better keybinds than neovim.
But it still doesn’t have a plugin system, and it’s quite opinionated. They’re both amazing, and great options. Just depends on what you want in an editor; customizability, or do you want it to just work.
Personally, I love to tinker (especially on my main machine) so I don’t mind the complexities of setting up neovim. However, I do mess around with a bunch of servers, and I like to edit code on those servers, meaning I am often installing/compiling neovim and copying over my config before I can get to work.
What I am liking about helix is the idea that its default setup has what I need to get started straight away.
I am looking forward to giving helix a go.
So do i :) but i think helix is especially powerful with nix, for example. instead of having 5 compilers, lsps and such installed, you can create a nix flake for your project and it’ll install all that stuff for you. But for neovim you’d have to manually configure those LSPs in your config, so it is kind of just pointless anyway. But helix automatically loads all your installed LSPs, no config required. I love that about it, but neovim has grown on me.
Plus, helix’s keybinds are amazing, even better than neovims. God i miss it.
Zed is amazing
Ewww not even vscodium
Have been a professional software engineer for 8 years now. Have yet to find a reason to use vim for anything (other than availability of course, but if nano isn’t installed for some godforsaken reason I have other problems lol).
Professional software engineer here, using vim as my primary editor.
I used to think this way. Until I found that with emacs you can edit any file on an SSH enabled computer remotely. Meaning that not only are you no longer constrained by what the computer has installed. But you can use your personality configured editor while editing that file. It’s called tramp.
BTW, with Emacs you can use vim key bindings evil-mode, so don’t stress about that.
You can do that with vscode too. And probably many IDEs.
The only real reason for which you would need to use vim in such cases is if the target computer can’t run the vscode server, which I’ve never encountered yet.
I’m talking about not needing anything installed on the server though. Like you don’t need sudo. If the server has ssh then you can use Emacs to edit a file on it
Don’t need sudo or anything pre installed for vscode either. It will send the server to the machine via SSH and then run it automagically.
Tramp is more featured, but if all one cares about is being able to edit remote files using a local editor, vim can edit remote files with scp too: scp://user@server[:port]//remote/file.txt
I tried tramp-mode at some point, but I seem to remember some gotchas with LSP and pretty bleh latency, which didn’t make it all that useful to me… But I admittedly didn’t spend much time in emacs land.
I’ve also used sshfs to mount a remote directory and edit using my local editor/env.
Fair. But to a sysadmin or devops engineer availability is pretty important.
I’ve been a in various forms of coding and administration for around fifteen years now. Despite trying lots of editors, I have yet to find a reason to use anything but vim.
I do like obsidian for note taking.
Vim is a way more competent editor than nano. If you spend a lot of time editing files via ssh, vim is amazing. And when you get bitten by it, you’re infected. ;-)
I feel like I’m the only person using KDevelop
Meanwhile, James rocks up with Notepad++
The Fiat Panda of text editors
I always edit my code in microsoft word. Not only can it highlight syntax, it can use different fonts for different function names.
Definitely the most fully featured IDE I’ve ever used.
smh real programmers use magnetized needles on tape
Couldn’t help myself
This is sarcasm right? Right?
Nah. As a die hard Vim user, I can explain all day long why a flexible shared common editing experience across a team is a great idea, and why VSCodium is the obvious choice.
And I’ll explain and agree in principle all day long from the familiar beloved comfort of my Vim editor.
tbh, one of the essential things vim gets right for me is that it’s designed as a text editor, not (only) a code editor. I use it for so much non-code text as well, but it feels weird opening a coding tool for such things.
It’s great to use an editor designed and built when vietname and leaded gas were all the rage.
Exactly! It’s rare to find such old things that are still excellent today
Code and intellij have plugins available to use vim keybindings on them. I like this approach to get the best of both worlds
the vim plugins are so bad… they only support the super basic stuff, as soon as you want flags with your search or chaining of commands they are useless
The neovim plugin for VSCode uses the actual nvim binary as a backend and supports all features.
that’s a pretty neat solution
This is the way
It’s not the same. Granted it’s been years since I used the vim plugin but last time I tried it couldn’t even do standard find and replace.
If by any chance here’s someone else using vis, I salute you!
vis is such a neat idea, i followed it years ago. any good plugins yet? i really love the structural regex workflow but since kakoune/helix hijacked my muscle memory i would need more support for external tools to go full vis…
The thing about good plugins is relative - I just have vis-pairs, but I am not a seasoned developer (I’m not even a formal developer/CS person, just a graphic designer doing frontend and a tiny bit of backend!) so I don’t really miss anything else. vis’ phylosophy relies on the unix-as-ide concept, though. Still I do know that there is stuff like a LSP plugin.
What I really miss from vim is buffers. vis still does not have a client/server feature so you still have to rely in its allegedly temporary split panes kinda solution. It seems vis’ main developer got some personal issues going on so volunteers are doing some little changes here and there but with so few manpower it doesn’t seem like those needed big changes are happening anytime soon. Hence why I’m trying to spread its gospel in hopes to get people interested in contributing to it.
i thought vis specifically wanted to remain single-file?