• Comrade Spood
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    011 days ago

    To the people complaining Windows has an aggressive method. Sure but I didn’t know about it till now. Task manager didn’t make it obvious to me and so I didn’t know about it till now (and everyone keeps talking about commands and shutdowns so it doesn’t even sound like you can do it through task manager). Linux’s system manager did and I have known about it since first using Linux (about half a year ago now)

  • Destide
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    011 days ago

    Are you sure your currently updating?

    YES DO AS I SAY!

    user@debian> |

  • Ricky Rigatoni
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    010 days ago

    Windows: Has a complex and graceful shutdown process to make sure programs never close if there’s a problem with them and your computer just stalls on shutdown until you hold down the power button and completely void out the purpose of the graceful shutdown.

  • @dave@lemmy.wtf
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    010 days ago

    one of my favourite things when i switched to linux first was using the meta+Q hotkey to shutdown a program (this was with PopOS i think). with windows there is alt+F4 but some programs only use shift+alt+F4 which makes it a lot more confusing. on top of all that if youre using a laptop then its another keypress for the Fn key in some cases

    • Björn Tantau
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      011 days ago

      Yeah, this meme is bullshit but gets still posted every other month or so. Windows can also just kill a process, similar to sigkill.

      • I don’t mind a bullshit meme, most memes are bullshit. Sometimes the bullshittery itself is the funny bit, or to put it another way, there are times like this where the absurdity of it is what’s funny to me. Like, Linux’s kill levels operate, as they must, as advice to the running process, because the os has no insight or capability as to how to gracefully close a process - nor should it. It’s an impossible task to know what safe cleanup looks like. But I like the image of the Linux penguin shooting Firefox tbqh

  • @NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
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    011 days ago

    Is this even true? I am fairly sure that Linux also has a graceful shutdown process, but I’ll admit I haven’t looked into it.

    • macniel
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      011 days ago

      yeah we have SIGTERM for graceful and SIGKILL for not so graceful shutting down a process.

      • palordrolap
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        011 days ago

        In order of decreasing politeness: 1, 2, 15, 9 = HUP, INT, TERM, KILL = “Please stop”, “Quit it”, “I’m warning you” and “BANG”

          • palordrolap
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            011 days ago

            True. I think of it more as a semantic shift. In the old days, processes would actually quit and some other process would resurrect it as necessary, but then someone had the idea of having some processes catch the HUP and do all that itself without actually bothering any other processes.

            And the implementation might actually involve an exec of the process’ own executable, meaning that it actually does self-terminate, but it leaves a child in its place.