• slazer2au
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    022 days ago

    Or do, that guy isn’t your boss. If he is, what are you doing listening to him about non work stuff he seems like a gatekeeper kina guy.

  • @WuceBrillis@lemm.ee
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    I don’t really get this distro thing.

    So it is basically just like choosing which app to access reddit with, except that if i choose the wrong app i might be auto-banned from a lot of the subs?

    Also, i won’t see stuff i am searching for sometimes, because the distros sometimes make trouble if someone else hasn’t already subscribed? Or is that only on mastodon?

    I am using Voyager, and chose lemm.ee for no apparent reason. But so far, it just feels like a shittier version of reddit but with better mods? I dunno.

  • @MetalMachine@feddit.nl
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    22 days ago

    Yep, your talent can be used elsewhere. Whether it’s a new program or contributions to open spurce

  • @rtxn@lemmy.worldM
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    Cybersecurity engineers and pentesters don’t need Kali or Parrot. You don’t need Proxmox to use LXC and KVM. You don’t need OpenMediaVault to have Samba and NFS shares. You don’t need Clonezilla to make use of the OCS toolkit. You don’t need LMDE to have a Debian OS with Cinnamon and nonfree drivers installed, or Endeavour to have Arch with KDE Plasma.

    But it’s sure as shit good to have everything packed together and preconfigured by professionals.

    • 𝔗𝔢𝔯 𝔐𝔞𝔵𝔦𝔪𝔞
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      021 days ago

      Sounds like a perfect application for Nix, IMO. Either ship a flake or a NixOS config module, and you’re set.

      The only disadvantage I can see is the unusual directory structure of NixOS.

    • @WordBox@lemmy.world
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      022 days ago

      Maybe the existence of these distros (appliances) is a sign of the state of Linux.

      May the next distro win.

    • @mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works
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      022 days ago

      Proxmox does add extended hardware support, as does Kali. Parrot enables necessary repos and kernel modifications for Red and Blue team workflows. I don’t know enough about DEs to speak about the others but those three don’t apply to the meme.

    • lurch (he/him)
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      022 days ago

      Clonezilla is more like an app that comes with an OS on a liveCD for convenience, as it’s troublesome to use the very OS you’re cloning.

      • @MehBlah@lemmy.world
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        022 days ago

        Yeah its a program that has a minimal OS. Its more about the program than the operating system.

  • @bluewing@lemm.ee
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    021 days ago

    All the different distros are all about the vibe and not a lot else. The Linux kernel remains pretty much the same and we just choose different window dressings.

    I suppose we could role it all back to Debian Stable and Slackware I guess. Do we need a “Distro Thanos?” Besides, without all those different distros, how you gonna surf?

    So don’t harsh the vibes man.

      • @bluewing@lemm.ee
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        021 days ago

        No I haven’t bothered to surf that one up yet. But, if it’s vastly different, then it’s not Linux and not germane to this meme.

        • @admin@sh.itjust.works
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          021 days ago

          Is Linux, called linux-zen on some package managers.

          But is different than the LTS Kernel, which is also different than the pre-release kernels, which are also different than the stable kernels.

          So idk, “what is” Linux and what’s not, according to you.

          Maybe you thinking of GNU Hurd? Or the Darwin kernel?

          • @bluewing@lemm.ee
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            021 days ago

            After doing a quick search, I don’t see enough differences for the Zen kernel to claim it’s so special. The main line kernel has to be a “one size fits all” from servers to gaming and anything in between. Zen is just a recompiled mainline kernel with some chosen optimizations for better specific use cases-- mostly desktop/gaming. Which is nothing I can’t do if I recompile my bog standard Fedora kernel for those optimizations.

    • Omega
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      022 days ago

      I wonder how many people genuinely used Pardus for just being Pardus until the Turkish government fucked it up

  • @Peasley@lemmy.world
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    022 days ago

    New distros get a lot of crap, but often they are solving a need for someone.

    Take Windowmaker Live: ostensibly it’s just Debian + Windowmaker. I have seen comments saying why not just install WM on Debian? By asking that question, it’s clear the asker hasnt tried recently. There is a lot to configure, and there are lots of usability papercuts.

    A custom distro allows someone to fix those problems for themself, and share those fixes with others. It’s not fragmentation, it’s just FOSS.

    • emergencycall
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      022 days ago

      It would help more people to improve the installer for difficult-to-install software rather than creating an entire operating system around that software. Using the entire operating system as an installer is over the top

      • Cassa
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        022 days ago

        Don’t know the case for this - but there are absolutely cases where the merger is blocked for some reason, and why not just fix it yourself with a distro? It hurts nobody.

      • @iopq@lemmy.world
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        If you improve the installer to the point it can install any combination of software together (including incompatible versions of deps) you end up with NixOS again

        • @Peasley@lemmy.world
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          021 days ago

          Much like how crustaceans have repeatedly evolved into pseudo-crabs, Linux distros tend to evolve into pseudo-nix

        • Jess
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          022 days ago

          Maybe one you could just download and pipe to bash. /s

            • Jess
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              022 days ago

              I figured, I was playing on the number of github repos with instructions for curl pipe bash combos.

        • @iopq@lemmy.world
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          021 days ago

          You’re re-inventing the Nix tool which is exactly a script that sets up all the programs and services you want to install

          • Possibly linux
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            021 days ago

            Except no one really uses Nix outside of Nix OS. It is slow and complicated for little reason.

            Just use Ansible and an answers file

            • @iopq@lemmy.world
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              Then how come we have more packages than the AUR?

              And don’t say it’s because we packaged Python and Haskell stuff since we have more non-unique packages too

      • @Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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        Yeah I’m reading what they said and that kind of solution wouldn’t be acceptable in any industry…

        Imagine if you wanted to add AC to your central heating system and they told you they need to add a second furnace in parallel to the one you already have because it’s possible to add AC to your current setup, but it’s very complicated to do so…

  • oshu
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    022 days ago

    Every project eventually makes their own package manager. Its pretty insane if you stop and think about how routinely the package manager is re-invented.

    • Cyborganism
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      022 days ago

      For real. I don’t mind the million distributions, but can we agree on one single package manager?

      • @MrAlternateTape@lemm.ee
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        Where is that comic about standards now that we need it? The one where they create a new standard that is going to solve all the problems, except for now there is just one more standard??

        Edit: https://xkcd.com/927

      • wander1236
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        022 days ago

        Every time someone complains, another package manager is created

        • Cyborganism
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          Back in 2000 I started using Linux with RedHat (That’s what they were teaching us in college then.) and got to know RPMs before the automatic package dependency resolution tools. Then I moved to Ubuntu in 2004 and have been using that since, and even had a job where I built custom Linux distros based on Debian where I had to build DEB packages, so I got to know that system pretty well.

          But, honestly, if there are better package managers out there I wouldn’t mind changing if it means we all use the same thing.

          • @iopq@lemmy.world
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            I’ve broken both Fedora and Ubuntu already, so I had to find better solutions. With NixOS I can roll back to a previous revision easily on boot

              • @iopq@lemmy.world
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                Upgrade 22 LTS upgrade to Ubuntu 24 LTS failed and I forgot the upgrade didn’t succeed when I rebooted. Unlike NixOS, it doesn’t roll all the changes back when the upgrade is unsuccessful

                • Cyborganism
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                  Aaah I see. Ok. I can see why Nix appeals so much to you.

                  As I said, I need to try it out. I’m gonna download it right now and try it in a VM.

        • Cyborganism
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          I don’t know if Flatpak can cover all the scenarios. It seems to be mostly for Desktop apps. I know Ubuntu was able to have system tools installed with Snaps though. However, having apps installed with their dependencies in one package is neat, but it takes a ton more in storage.

          Flatpak is a great extra layer to have on top of a regular package manager, but I wouldn’t use it as a sole package management system.

          • @iopq@lemmy.world
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            I think an immutable system package manager like Nix is perfect to supplement Flatpak.

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      022 days ago

      Not really

      There are only a few mainstream package formats and ultimately you are going to probably be using distro packages or portable formats like Flatpak.