Glad I could help.
Gnome and KDE, what’s the 3rd logo
Cinnamon (Mint’s DE) I think
Yea I’m wondering that too
Cinnamon, most commonly known from Mint. There are also Fedora and Ubuntu spins for it.
Been using Linux for 10 years and this is the first time I’ve seen the cinnamon logo lol
I saw this other day and this happened with me too. I was having issues with brave and someone really asked why do u need brave
Brave aka the Nazi Browser…
Lmao bro where did it come from?
The CEO is publicly homophobic. Here’s the other critiques summarized.
AI Overview:
Brave browser has faced controversies, including concerns about its business model, privacy practices, and the CEO’s political views, with criticisms including unsolicited donations, affiliate link suggestions, and VPN installations without user consent.
Here’s a more detailed look at the controversies surrounding Brave browser:
- Business Model and Revenue:
Crypto-centric approach:
Brave’s core business model revolves around cryptocurrency, with its own advertising network and token (BAT).
Unsolicited Donations:
Some content creators have received unsolicited donations from Brave users, which they couldn’t collect or control.
Affiliate Links in Address Bar:
Brave has faced criticism for automatically suggesting affiliate links in the address bar, which generates revenue for the browser but can mislead users.
Diverting ad revenue:
Brave has been criticized for diverting ad revenue from websites to itself
- Privacy Concerns:
VPN Installation:
Brave has been criticized for automatically installing its VPN service without user consent.
Data Collection:
Some users worry about the amount of data Brave collects, especially in relation to its crypto-related features.
Privacy Guides Concerns:
Privacy Guides have expressed concerns about Brave’s business model and its potential impact on user privacy.
- CEO’s Political Views:
Homophobic views: Brave’s CEO, Brendan Eich, has faced criticism for donating to politicians who support homophobic laws.
- Technical Issues:
Clunky Web Experience:
Some users have reported a clunky or failed web experience compared to other browsers.
Excessive Settings:
Brave has a large number of settings, which can be overwhelming for some users.
Install services without asking
Some users have reported that Brave installs services without asking
Runs services with local system privileges
Some users have reported that Brave runs services with local system privileges
Promotes crypto without giving users the option to disable it
Some users have reported that Brave promotes crypto without giving users the option to disable it
Adds new features without giving users the option to disable them
Some users have reported that Brave adds new features without giving users the option to disable them
My comment was removed because the Linux meme mods support a homophobic CEO
Idc any of these but I use zen
Sometimes it’s easier to assemble what you need from parts than go adding/removing stuff from somewhat monolithic solutions, tho.
Most people just want a thing to work though. One member of my family has issues with her iPhone at the moment where the signal is just all over the place. Sometimes not able to receive calls, sometimes not able to make them, sometimes inaudible when the call is made. She’s googled and gone to apple tech support who have given her a list of basic troubleshooting tasks to do, stuff like checking settings. She said to me “I don’t want to go hunting for these things I just want to hand it to someone and they can make it work!”
Linux and computer enthusiasts are happy to assemble things as we need them because the problem solving stuff is satisfying to us, for other people it’s just a slog.
the problem solving stuff is satisfying to us
Yeah, that stopped being a factor decades ago. I now hate it just as much as any iPhone user. There are reasons beyond “I like how it makes my brain feel”.
I guess I misunderstood the meme, then: to me it looked like a jab at nerds that ignore “simpler” solutions when they themselves have a problem, rather than said nerds giving overcomplicated advice
“why don’t you just”
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It is always amazing how so many of them can’t help but prove op right any time this comes up.
“easier solutions”
No: pet solutions. Don’t let false consensus dictate the wrong labels.
pet solutions
I’ve never heard this term before. My searches online aren’t bringing up anything useful, it’s all stuff about literal pets. I can’t seem to wrap my mind around what it could mean or the right thing to search to find the answer. Could someone explain please?
It’s an expression coined by Corsican Guppy in the mid 2020s, referring to a solution to a Linux/Unix problem that uses a Graphic User Interface, as opposed to one using the command line.
That sounds awfully derogative towards the average user.
I’m confused by this comment
I hear the average small freshwater fish from a Mediterranean island feels nothing but scorn towards the average user.
I think it’s just a Name for some specific containers on Linux.
Im confident OP is using it wrong. Well, as confident as one can be that had heard the word the first time today.
The thing is, though, that command line instructions work on most flavours of whatever distro you have running. If you have an xfce problem it’s fair game to tell you where to click, but if your issue is not related to your desktop environment, giving a solution that works on most, of not all, systems that may have the same issue, is actually a good idea. No?
I use xfce and i like it so far, though it would be good if i could increase the minimize/maximize/tray toolbar’s size
As long as I’m mocking help forums, I might have a stupid solution for your window decorations, which you can follow at your own risk. I saw your comment and, just out of curiosity, started playing around in a VM with imagemagick, a program I’ve never used before, but that might be useful for you. Here’s what I did:
1.) I copied a theme I liked, in this case “Sassandra”, from /usr/share/themes into ~/.themes.
2.) I renamed Sassandra (in ~/.themes) to Sassandra2 and switched themes to Sassandra2.
3.) I opened up some of the images in ~/.themes/Sassandra2/xfwm4/ and made note of the geometry of the buttons. In this case, they were 24x17.
4.) I opened a terminal in ~/.themes/Sassandra2/xfwm4/ and ran a command I got from an AI chatbot and fiddled with it blindly like an idiot until it ran:
find . -type f -exec magick {} -scale 12x17 {} ;
In this case, I wanted to use magick to shrink the icons from 24x17 to 12x17 (though you could just as easily replace “12x17” with an increased size instead), and I wanted to do all the files at once, using the find command as suggested by my robot overlord. It didn’t work as I intended. I never bothered to read any docs. I’m not even sure I put the “{}” in the right spot. But it did shrink the images, preserving the aspect ratio. It also threw up a couple errors because I forgot about the readme and themerc files in that directory. Speaking of which, you can fiddle with the themerc file to make any minor adjustments, like offsetting text.
Edit: In retrospect, the original image files were actually all different sizes and now Sassandra2 looks like crap, but you can always run magick on files individually.
And many folks have headless setups — raspberry pis, home servers, VPSs, etc. It’s kinda overkill to install a desktop environment on a headless box if the only reason you need it is so you can VNC into it for a simple task that could be done over ssh.
Yes! Command line instructions are often universal instructions. This is imho a huge boon for Linux.
Is this a wonderwall reference?
How many special people change
How many lives are living strange
I said maybe (I said maybe) Terminal gonna be the one that saves me (That saves me)
And after aaaaaall you’re my terminaaaaaaal
GUIs are just terminal wrappers. Idk what to tell you, man
I don’t understand this post. OP mad the free support not up to their standards?
Since the standard is: “Don’t be assholes” I think thats quite allright :-)
What are these “solutions” you speak of? All help forum posts must follow this format:
“I want to do x.”
“Why would you want to do x? Don’t do x.”.
In many cases that kind of answer is correct though. People ask for things that aren’t a good idea on a regular basis. Sometimes what they want is correct for their circumstances, but often not.
I want to shoot myself in the foot
Why would you want to do that? Don’t do that?
Why are people so rude to me? I asked a question and they won’t answer it. The Linux community sucks
Yeah it sucks.
If I wanna shoot myself, let me shoot myself. Maybe I’m into that. Who are you to judge whats good for me?
Why would you want to shoot yourself? Don’t do x.
If you so desperately want to shoot yourself in the foot, put some effort into it and figure it out instead of asking strangers on the internet for free advice because you’re lazy. Not everyone is into enabling people mutilating their bodies.
I want to make a sandwitch and I know I can do this by shooting myself in the foot, no i don’t care this is bad practice just tell me how to make it work.
doesn’t tell them how to make it work, does not give enough instructions to make it work the “right” way
installs windows again
The Linux Community does suck…
Closed as Duplicate.(the post pointed to as the original is a post from 2013 deleted in 2018)
A lot of things are easier to do even for experts with gui, as you might need to type 30 lines for what you could do in 1-2 clicks
In the 15 years of me using Linux as my main system both for work and for fun, I have never experienced this situation. Never. I seriously don’t know what you guys doing that not only requires you to type 30 lines of commands - insane amount of commands, you can setup a complicated server from scratch with this amount if commands - that can also be accomplished with two clicks.
Give me at least couple of examples, I’m very curiousI don’t know if this applies but I did the switch to Linux a coupls weeks ago (To Linux Mint, because beginner friendly).
I’m curious with tech stuff but I’m not tech savvy in any way shape or form.
Thing is, the in way to connect to my Google drive sucked hard. On windows I would install the program and be able to access it like any drive. On Mint there is a GUI way to connect to your Google account, but it is so slow that it took a PDF solid 2 minutes to load each page. So no way to work with that.
So I needed a solution, which I found by installing rclone and setting it up.
That was a stupid amount of work and command lines I realy did not understand at all (this was my time using the console).
Yeah, the way Google doesn’t make a Linux version of their product is indeed bad. They say it’s because they want us all using their web version, and it would be probably even a valid excuse, but they make their soft for Windows, but not for Linux for some reason.
Thankfully they are in minority, and you can just ditch them and use different, more user-friendly clouds. Or, as you mentioned, cool working tools that community made for free, since Google is apparently incapable.
Edit: back to the previous point, you managed to do it first time without help, which kind of confirms my point. There is a Russian proverb “while the eyes are afraid, the hands are already at work”, which is very apt here.
If a GUI can be built which accomplished something in 1-2 clicks, then there’s very likely a CLI which can do the same with 1-2 commands, as CLIs are easier to implement than GUIs…
Just give me your rdp access. I promise I will not abuse it.
Copypasting a term command vs. 20 pages of “click here, now click there”. Which is more efficient?
Why does it have to be one or the other?
I, as someone who spends so much time in the terminal that I literally have a dedicated key to open it, would prefer a single CLI command. My grandma, who thinks the monitor is the entire computer, would do better with the “inefficient” GUI option
There can be more than one correct way to do something
Definitely the command. CLI commands are simple and portable. Asking the user what DE they are using for an extra round trip and then making a description of the pointy-clicky-ceremony has way to much friction.
The one enabling people to understand and use their devices on their own. Once you can use a mouse or touchpad, you can navigate the UI. Good UI/UX conveys function. Checkboxes insert the correct configuration in the background without possibly hazardous typos.
The CLI does nothing of this for the user, to understand it users have to invest tens, if not hundreds of hours before they get a hang of all essential commands, paradigms and tools to help themselves. They have to become IT intermediates just to use their computers.
By providing a single CLI command (which, in the worst case, gets copied by a third user on an incompatible system configuration breaking everything) instead of pointing at the GUI tools most user-friendly distros already provide you do, in many cases, a disservice to the average user who just wants their problem to be fixed. They will not be able to help themselves next time for a similar issue.
Back in the day, I learned how to network winxp machines together, without a router, and without being able access the internet to find instructions, all because everything I needed to know about any given setting was in the gui where I could manipulate that setting. I had lan parties featuring dozens of pcs, all manually configured. Was this the correct way to do things? Fuck no, but it worked. I was able to make it work because I could see everything I needed to as I was doing it.
None of the above would have been possible if CLI was the only option.
I find it absolutely baffling how an equal amount of people voting on this comment seem to honestly believe that it would’ve been a realistic option for the majority of people (or even everyone) to get one of those Linux books and read hundreds of sites to fully understand everything necessary to manually setup a LAN party in a reasonable time. On 4 to 16 computers. Are all gamers expected to also be interested in IT enough to read such books? Are they supposed to magically know the existence of manpages? Of course not, 90% of private LANs in the early 2000’s would’ve simply not happened without easily navigable GUIs. At least not with computers.
The ignorance by so many in the Linux community regarding GUI is both baffling and infuriating.
The one enabling people to understand and use their devices on their own.
CLI it is.
The one enabling people to understand and use their devices on their own.
If you’re using a UI, and you have a question about something or don’t understand what you’re doing, isn’t that a sign that either the UI you’re using is insufficient, or your own knowledge is lacking?
Good UI/UX conveys function.
Exactly. By itself, a good UI should “enable people to understand and use their device on their own”. If you’re a UI user and you can’t figure something out on your own, maybe you need to use the terminal to accomplish whatever you’re trying to do.
I also think navigating is easy, doesn’t mean anyone asking for initial help using a GPS app to get on track should from now on use a book with relative directions explained in text.
You missed my point so bad that I’m unsure if it’s worth trying to re-explain myself
I was answering your last point. I didn’t react to the first one because implying the big Linux DEs of user-friendly distros (usually Cinnamon, KDE or Gnome) were bad is just utter nonsense. Incomplete at times in regards to very specialised administrative tasks, sure. But the features and menus that exist are generally well made.
implying the big Linux DEs of user-friendly distros (usually Cinnamon, KDE or Gnome) were bad is just utter nonsense
Where did I imply that?
Incomplete at times in regards to very specialised administrative tasks, sure.
Right, that’s all I was saying.
Lol stop putting words in my mouth
Here is some :- :() :;: Please don’t try this at home.
It shouldn’t do anything on a properly configured system (so most systems are screwed)
I suppose I can try this at root.
Do it
“Anyway, here are terminal commands you don’t understand.” and after asking for clarification on said terminal commands, you are quite rudely told to read The Manual - which seems to be some kind of a holy book for these bizarre creatures - without explaining in any way whatsoever which part of which manual you should be “reading”. Thankfully, only every command ever created by anyone since the very conception of these systems - which was some 50 years ago in the seventies, in a university of a country you don’t live in, written in a language you don’t possibly even understand all that well, possibly by someone who also didn’t know the language all that well - is discussed at length and in an impenetrably obtuse manner by many different parts of many different manuals, with helpful references to other commands and concepts you also don’t understand, but which are all varying levels of essential knowledge for understanding some of these commands, while different levels for others. Also if you do not grasp the essential knowledge, you might completely fuck up your system. It seems that the philosophy in playing Dwarf Fortress is found in trying to use certain types of Linux distros, mostly frequented by massive nerds with hugely inflated egos: losing is fun! Because why else would I still be using Arch (btw)? But in any case: Read the Fucking Manual (rtfm to you as well, brother)
My ego isn’t that big…
I chose Arch (in 2011) because
- Terminals make me look like hackerman
- I wanted to nerd out and learn the Linux ecosystem
- My engineer friends were Arch evangelists
I do catch myself saying “just read the manual”, but not in a hostile way I think. When you’re already in a terminal, once you get used to manuals, it’s very accessible and it’s quick to get what you need.
However, that usually requires you to know what you’re looking for quite specifically, and that is something you can only learn through experience and study.
I’m very happy with my choice and the whole “you can easily fuck up your system” thing also works in reverse - you can just as easily fix your system. I’ve made a few mistakes over the years but nothing that I couldn’t reverse. Just make sure you’re not fiddling with partitions and boot loaders during work hours…
Preach. I don’t regret the whole “diving into Arch” part, but I feel like I spent a lot of hours doing things that were pointless, nonsensical even. But then again I’ve spent most of these years since I started this journey struggling with and rehabilitating from various mental health problems (correlation=causation???) so I haven’t had much anything better to do than pointless and nonsensical things, on and off the computer.
Just make sure you’re not fiddling with partitions and boot loaders during work hours…
Ain’t that the truth. Just recently I had invited my friend over for a coffee and such, and when he came I noticed my computer wouldn’t want to boot because I had fiddled with something too critical. Sorted it out eventually, but I feel like it kinda crumbled the foundation of my whole “Linux is superior to Windows in every way” line of thinking I have been trying to bring to life among my friends…
I was around 18 when I started, so doing nonsensical things was my area of expertise at the time. That helps a bit with the feeling of time waste.
Still, it was not a complete waste, because now I can fix any such problems in minutes, and I always carry an archiso drive on me (which I used maybe once in the past 5 years to fix somebody else’s PC which wasn’t even running Arch).
I will say, without exaggerating, recovering from Windows boot issues has caused me WAY more issues over the years. It doesn’t tell you what’s actually wrong, you don’t get much in terms of tools, and so it’s much harder to fix unless you want to completely reinstall Windows (which apparently is a good idea to do regularly too…).
There is a manual pre-installed on your machine for most commands available. You just type man and the name of the thing you want the manual for. Many commands also have a --help option that will give you a list of basic options.
I should point out this isn’t Linux specific either. Many of these commands come from Unix or from other systems entirely. macOS has a similar command line system actually. It’s more that Linux users tend to use and recommend the command line more. Normally because it’s the way of doing things that works across the largest number of distributions and setups, but also because lots of technical users prefer command line anyway. Hence why people complain about Windows command lines being annoying. I say command lines because they actually have two of them for some odd reason. Anyway I hope this helped explain why things are the way they are.
I’ve been using linux for ~17 years or so and I just realized the other day that there can be multiple “pages” in a manual
No, I don’t want to talk about it
Indeed, well explained. Though I think I should mention that I’ve been using Linux in general for some 12-13 years, since from somewhere around Ubuntu 12.04 to 13.10. I did make the error of overestimating my own skills and abilities regarding “figuring it out” when I dove headfirst into Arch, so basically I was a self-proclaimed massive nerd, but I didn’t even realize how inflated my own ego was. I don’t think the archinstall script/library even existed back then, and I also had no clue about the man-pages, or how anything really worked.
So my comment here was more along the lines of embellished musings on my own past experiences trying to learn things while I was doing them. Through these experiences what I have learned though is that the Arch Wiki is an invaluable source for most Linux users.
