At this pace, I’ll either never change my car or will never buy a car again.
Are there still some e cars without bloatware and privacy issues??
Here’s an article from last year. It’s Australian, but I think it likely that car brands have the same or similar privacy policies wherever you go.
In short: Tesla and Korean brands are the worst. Japanese brands apart from Mazda are the best for privacy.
There’s also the Mozilla.org Privacy Not Included report
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/categories/cars/
They have Renault as the least creepy and Nissan as the most!
Not really, they’ve all had telemetry for probably 20 years.
The cars with satellite radio are even worse (which isn’t saying much, since they put modems in cars about 20 years ago)
My 2016 doesnt have a modem. It has a Sirus radio…but sirus operates one way and has no way to communicate back.
My Japanese export 2016 doesn’t either. Aside from the fact that we flashed the head unit with custom software, there’s nothing for it to connect to in my country anyway.
flashed … custom software
Any hints on where one might find details on this?
No, satellite radio is not bi-directional.
Jeep owners are the perfect target for this. Not exactly the kind of people doing a lot of research before purchasing a vehicle. Or else they wouldn’t buy a jeep.
Guilty as charged, I owned a total of 5 jeep/Chrysler/Dodge vehicles way back when. Moved to Infiniti, then Tesla (fucking got rid of it within a year) and now I have a Chinese BYD with every telematic disabled.
Haha. Yeah man, you’re not hyper focused on total cost of ownership. They know their audience!
The heck is “instant opt-out”? As opposed to what? Not being able to close the ad unless you buy the product?
I’m sticking with my Penny Farthing.
Hold onto it, farthings are already gone, so once they get rid of pennies you’ll have to “upgrade” to a Dime Nickel :P
I haven’t followed Kotaku for years. Did they give up on covering video games? Car manufacturing isn’t even adjacent.
That was my immediate reaction as well. I guess the AI author forgot which blog it was posting to.
Didn’t they get caught up in the hulk Hogan dick pic scandal?
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Now that’s quite the combination of wordsIt was a sex tape, my bad
They are/were a Gawker brand, so they’ve always been garbage.
Time to replace that stereo head, but it sucks that you’d be forced to due to POP UP ADS!
Jeep/Chrysler have always been banned from my life.
Garbage. Worse than any other American car company. They even managed to screw up cars made for them by Mitsubishi.
Can confirm. Had to buy a Pacifica because I needed a wheelchair accessible minivan and only Pacifica offered the features I wanted. Absolute piece of shit of a car. I don’t think I ever regretted any purchase as much. I would 100% compromise on the features I wanted had I known how much this car sucks. I’m talking about a brand new 2024, very well equipped car. Do not buy a Chrysler. I can shit on this car for days AMA.
I got the Pacifica plug in hybrid because it was the only minivan with any electric option. I have never regretted it so much. Every time I turn on the car it wants to connect to my Wi-Fi and update. I don’t want updates I don’t want my car to change and I don’t trust that they’re gonna do something shifty if I connect it to the internet. After having it for a year the transmission went out so I try to bring it in but it takes 6 weeks before they can see me. Finally they can see me and they take 2 weeks to look at it and diagnose. Then 4 more weeks to fix it. Meanwhile they keep telling me it should be done next week every time I call. Absolutely worst experience ever.
I had a 1996 grand cheerokee… great vehicle except for everything chrysler hands touched. (It was a near finished design from AMC).
My 17 year old car is at almost 200k miles and I just dumped over $2k into it to keep it going to a quarter million miles to try and hold off having to buy something new.
I had to give up my '08 manual transmission rear wheel drive technodumb car last month due to it finally going downhill (in its operation and in the easiest direction to push it). Will miss the fun, and the privacy.
My condolences.
Cheaper than a car payment… By a lot. I budget about 1500 a year and just act like thats my car payment.
I buy used cars. I had an X-Trial I bought 8 years ago for £2000. It lasted 7 years. I did basic maintenance myself like brakes, oil, etc. on the end the flywheel needed replacing. To the scrap it went. Bit 2k for 7 years!
At this pace, I’ll either never change my car or will never buy a car again.
Based. Train, busses and bikes are superior.
Adds a whole new angle for arguing in favor of the /fuckcars movement.
Some buses are also smaller than some US cars.
But you need room for the secondary car needed to navigate the car park, from where you left your car to the mall entrance. European people can’t understand what they have to face daily in the US.
At this pace, I’ll either never change my car or will never buy a car again.
!micromobility@lemmy.world is an option.
But yeah, with all the telemetry they’ve tacked onto vehicles, feels like you need a digital and electrical forensics team to disable it all
Tempering with it will breach your warranty.
Included warranties are typically very short and extended warranties are worthless.
some merit here older car, just cut it out and own it properly lol
Lots of it is tied to the ecu now, which can’t be tampered with if you live in a state with emissions inspections.
I’m planning to when stuff starts failing though. And I will likely be installing a homemade OBD2 reporter so that it’ll keep passing.
I don’t live in CA though, I wouldn’t mess with it then, the do tailpipe confirmation, and deeper inspections for CARB parts.
Only if they find out.
well not getting all that data will be a tell tale lol
Easy solution: plausible deniability. Play dumb.
“I dunno, man. I just turn the car on and off. I don’t know anything about car computers or whatever.”
Them: “Did you take it anywhere to get it serviced?”
“Just to get my tires inflated.”
Them: Hey Sal! We got another liar that says he didn’t go through the 20 steps to disconnect the telemetry and thinks we’re gonna believe that some tire inflater just did him a solid without telling him…
Cutting a wire for a cell antenna doesn’t take 20 steps.
Yeah, it’s right in the wheel well 👌
The fascists are already dismantling the CFPB. I’m sure the FTC will be on the chopping block soon, too.
So who’s going to stop them when they flagrantly ignore the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and refuse to honor your warranty for having your car serviced somewhere other than a dealer?
And who’s going to stop them from claiming you did either way?
The warranties are trash anyway. I’m not for the warranties in the first place, just pointing out that you could claim plausible deniability if you needed to while still ensuring they don’t get to surreptitiously send your driving data to your insurance company.
If you can move somewhere with public transit, it has changed my life
Public transit might be great, but it is certainly not ad-free.
Yeah that’s my reaction. Also public transportation changed my life for the year and a half I used it, by eating up zn extra hour a day of my life. My 15-minute each way car commute became 50 each way, very consistently. I finally got fed up with it and went back to driving.
Yeah, but I don’t own the bus
At least you didn’t spend $40k for the privilege
Mobile phones and earbuds solve that problem for the most part.
Does it have to be? Are you not exposed to billboards while driving? Radio ads?
Public transit has other benefits. You can read a book, play on your phone, and don’t have to worry about parking.
“Does it have to be? Are you not exposed to billboards while driving? Radio ads?”
Not really in the UK. Minimal bill boards and ad free radio if you stick to the multitude of BBC channels.
At least those ads don’t track you and you can ignore them.
Read a book and it might as well be.
Unfortunately, public transportation in my country is garbage, and I’m being considerate with that word.
Start advocating for more walkable/bikable areas in your city, with more train and bus options, too.
I agree with the principle of it, but it’s also a slow and tedious process, one that the complainer won’t benefit from for years, if ever.
Not that you shouldn’t do it, but it’s not a solution to what happened here.
Hence “start advocating”.
Because if you don’t start, you go nowhere. And advocating is basically step 1.
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always a “software glitch”
That’s the easy “justification” used 99% of the time. Every single company. Fuck them all.
This zero-tolerance permanent unforgivability mentality is super common now. Why would you not consider buying a Jeep in say 20 years, when every person responsible for making or implementing some heinous decision that outrages you right now probably won’t even work there anymore?
They’ve sucked for the last 20 years, why would the next 20 be any different?
I personally agree Jeeps suck, but that’s dodging my question.
I mean it’s not really… Once bitten, twice shy. After 20 years of being bitten I’m pretty much amaxophobic towards the brand.
What I’m talking about is the popular stand that offenses against public opinion are unforgivable and unredeemable. Nobody should buy from company X, nobody should listen to musician Y, nobody see any more movies with actor Z in them, etc.
The fact remains that, unless everyone decides to punish these companies by not buying anything from them until they change course, it’ll only keep getting worse. Show me 1 that has changed to keep their clients happy instead of the shareholders. Yes, it can change within 20 years, for the worse, as history has shown us.
If they change course in the next 5 years, so be it. But right now, Jeep took some dev time to develop this, meaning they plan to use it at some point.
They deserve to lose the trust of the consumer because they gave us a peek behind the curtain and it fucking sucks.
Stop being pro-corpo, they are not your friend and they will piss on your corpse if that means they get a dollar more.
American cars are so bad. We did ~3000k of driving last year in the US and noticed that most of the cars on the road were new. Didn’t take long to realise why - between terrible driving standards causing them to crash regularly, terrible build quality causing the interior to fall apart, and needing to drive EVERYWHERE so you flog the thing out in about 12 months vehicles are practically disposable.
There were late model cars still rocking the flashing brake light as an indicator wtf lol
They are selling right hand drive converted Yank Tanks in Australia. They are double the price after shipping, rhd conversion and making them compliant. They don’t fit on our roads at all and are very restricted with payload and towing because of car licence weight restrictions. To tow more you need a truck license (light rigid).
They also have no spare parts here in Aus. Plenty of “overlanders” spending $25k to get it towed out of the outback, back to a major city and get parts flown in from Detroit. They are too heavy and wear out components on the dirt. They are built for highway only
If you want a “truck” in Aus, you buy an Isuzu or Mitsubishi cab-over truck which is like US$35,000 with a tray or box.
Isuzu diesel engines are immortal, you can’t break them even if you put gasoline in them 🤣
They are brilliant. Those little NPR light rigids are much easier to drive than people realise. Available with an automated manual, good turning circle and great visibility. Sure at 100kmh they are pretty loud and bumpy (the little 3L 4cylinder at 2800rpm), but if your in say Melbourne or Sydney, most driving is 80kmh and below. If you do a lot of highway, the 5.2L 4 cylinder goes well with a 6 speed and much more aggressive engine breaking.
the cybertruck does that. it’s still allowed.
No wonder they don’t sell it anywhere else - wouldn’t meet local safety requirements.
I liked a recent BYD Shark teardown video by some American mob… Their biggest complaint was that it was “overbuilt” lol
Fire up them tariffs lads, protectionism is the only thing ensuring sales.
