Installing debloated windows is not difficult at all.
I would say it is, it’s extra installation steps. Fedora I just click a handful of buttons and the OS is installed with no Spyware
And how difficult is it to keep it debloated? MS seems to be hellbent on pushing their crap into everyone’s face.
Every Windows apologist: “I will keep current on the hacks to fix it forever, easy.”
I’m glad I invested the time learning Linux before I had kids and now have no time for anything.
I hope you don’t think I’m being a Windows apologist. I’m not defending Windows itself, I’m just saying that it isn’t that hard to debloat it.
Understood, sorry to imply that you were.
Its called Installing linux.
So by linux, you mean not every open OS? Can we add freebsd? Not the easiest but lots of users willing to help on a forum post.
Installing regular Windows 10/11 is definitely more than twice as painful than installing Debian 12.
Once, I was trying to install Windows 10 and wasted an entire day! The installation would systematically fail at the beginning of the installation with a BS error message that doesn’t give any hint about what’s going wrong. In the end it just didn’t like USB3 as an installation media! I reflashed it to a USB2 and it worked, but OMG was it super slow ! It took literally hours to install !!!
Debian, even as a noobie, you’ll go from flashing your ISO to a booted system within an hour. If you’ve done it once before, you will get it done in 20 minutes.
It works over USB 3.0, it sounds like you just have a broken or corrupt drive.
What the hell. I’ve never seen such an issue. Microsoft is so considerate; they provide us with cool little surprises like that from time to time. ♥️
I’ve seen it a lot (I do PC builds/repairs as a side gig). I just assume it will cause me grief from the start and keep both USB2 and USB3 sticks handy.
To be fair I’ve had the issue with Unraid too, but only on one brand’s B450 motherboards in my testing. I didn’t have a whole bunch to try of course but MSI and Asus was fine, Gigabyte not. X570 didn’t have this problem in my experience.
Fedora takes 0 brain power to install.
Fedora has hands down the worst installer I’ve ever seen. Some distros don’t have one, yes, some don’t have a GUI one, yes, some require additional configuration afterwards, yes, but Fedora’s is just confusing as hell for no good reason.
It’s also the only distro I had sound issues (i.e. no sound at all) with ever, and the only one where an installation has straight up failed to a point it created an unbootable system.
tldr: I wanted to try Fedora and capitulated on install. Still enough brainpower for EndeavourOS btw.
What about Ubuntu?
It takes too long to listen to Lemmy users tell you why not to.
- oobe bypass.
- A post install script.
Alternatively, Tiny10
Kubuntu is also super easy.
This is true, but the people who think of Windows as easier to use are not people who install operating systems themselves.
I install OSes myself and windows is easy.
Windows 11 takes foreeeeeever to install on cutting edge hardware. Arch OTA is literally 4 clicks and fast as fuck.
Length doesn’t equate to difficulty to me.
Oh no no, it takes forever because it’s cumbersome, not only because it’s slow (which it also is). Having to opt out of 420 different options for telemetry is crazy.
Build your installer with Rufus and bypass most of the Oobe. Then it’s literally a few clicks. You can be at the windows 11 desktop in 10 minutes from USB boot if you know what you’re doing. And if you argue that having to know what you’re doing makes it harder… Linux…
easier to use
I don’t get at what you’re trying to say.
You think “windows is easy”, but do you think it is “easier to use” than Linux?
Almost everyone using Linux installed it. Almost no one using Windows installed it.
You don’t think that many people build their own Windows PCs? Linux gaming isn’t that old in the grand scheme of things, and there’s plenty of people who dual boot for various reasons.
I’d almost be willing to bet that there are more people who’ve installed Windows on their PC than there are people who’ve installed Linux from a pure numbers standpoint.
Most gaming PCs are pre built. Boutiques have been a business for decades. And every major PC OEM has a gaming division.pc building is niche.
PC building is niche, yes, but do you think “almost no one” builds PCs, like OP said? And that’s not even including the people who’ve had to install Windows on a pre-built system for one reason or another.
My point is that OP sounds like a smug Linux user shitting on people who use Windows. Even 5% of Windows users is too big a group of people to be described as “almost no one” simply because of how big the userbase is. That would be like saying, “Almost no one installs Linux” because Linux only makes up a small portion of the worldwide PC userbase.
I build my own systems. And I dont know what y’all are smoking but a typical windows installation has the complexity of opening a jar of pickles. Next next yes and away we go.
Linux on the other hand…
Now, if you want to debloat and install without a ms account then yes. But then… Really… Who does that? (i mean of the typical windows users
That’s what I’m saying. Windows installation is idiot-proof. And I’m sure there’s enough people who maintain their own systems or at the very least have had to install Windows for one reason or another that to say that “almost no one” who runs Windows installed it themselves is just the “Linux Master Race” talking.
Avoiding MS account and many manual parts of the installation (opting out of shit) is like two clicks in Rufus before installation. Everyone should do it.
I’m not familiar with Mint and I only installed Fedora twice/on two baremetal PCs … but how much easier can you go compared to Debian?
Is it like a cleaner UI or more preinstalled essentials?if you are already using fedora I don’t see any value in switching to debian or mint.
Funny meme but let’s be serious:
The steps to install Arch.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
The steps to install de bloated Windows:
Download Tiny Windows.
Use Rufus to make a boot USB. Click ok.that windows install isn’t the procedure m$ tells you to use though. the correct comparison to that IMO would be using one of the 4 or 5 easy arch installers.
that said I’d still use bazzite. now a real janky ass install would be fedora core os on an sbc, using emmc for boot but nvme for root.
If you want debloated Windows, you already aren’t using the procedure Microsoft wants you to use. So why would you even care?
If you follow Microsoft’s procedure, it takes less than 5 minutes to get a working setup.
The steps to install Arch.
Oh no, manually partitioning disks and chrooting? Someone call a computerologist.
Installing gentooOkay I’m a big supporter of Linux but this is misinformation.
Windows 11 LTSC install was the easiest install I’ve ever done, even easier than mint (or as easy).
The imagine I used even asked me the username when I was creating the bootable usb so I would save some time.
It also let me opt out of data collection and the rest of the bloatware.
Came with office and it was pre activated.
Now, if only that’s what Microsoft offered their mainstream consumer…
I have no idea what you’re talking about. I mean that in the sense that whatever you’ve used to install Windows, it must not be common knowledge or the default.
If you need special knowledge or access, I would call that “difficulty”. So even though, after you had all your special knowledge or access, it was easy, acquiring those preconditions was hard.
I.e. it was difficult to install Windows overall.
Not common knowledge to use Rufus?
What else do you use to create bootable flash drives?
You’re in the Linux memes sub. Linux users are the ultimate example of special knowledge PC users…
Yes but the context of the post is overall difficulty. Of course if you’re an expert in something, related things to that specialty will be easy for you. But we’re talking about how hard something is for non-experts.
The last Windows I installed was Windows 10. I was trying to install onto a SATA SSD, while keeping my pre-existing Linux installation on the M.2 SSD intact. This took me an unreasonably long time and lots of failed attempts, and in the end, the only way I could find to make it work was to first physically remove the M.2, then install Windows, then add the M.2 back again. Which sucked a lot, because M.2s are really not optimized for easy or frequent installation and deinstallation.
If you are good with a slightly more complicated install process and don’t need access to Windows tools (like Outlook, Teams, Word, PowerPoint, etc), you can run Linux on bare metal to access the full potential of your hardware without any overhead from virtualization or emulation.
