What flavor do you recommend?
This is the first time I’ve seen a Roblox meme template 💀💀
The future is now old man!
I’m in my early 20s 💀
Sheesh gramps get with the times
TwT
What’s wrong with it?
Trying to get Roblox running inside of mint is a pita
nothing in particular, I was just taken by surprise that a Roblox meme was in my feed lol
The average user cares less about their OS being EoL, than that they have to learn a whole new OS that works “completely” different to what they are used to.
This just objectively isn’t true. The XP EOL date actually forced users hands. There WAS refresh cycle in 2014, the only reason it didn’t turn in to the uprising it is seemingly turned into, is because Microsoft kinda got lucky, and this refresh cycle purged Pentim 4-s and Celeron M-s and Pentium D-s, and old Athlons, all of which were ewaste from new.
I’m a Linux noob so I put Mint on my PC. I like it a lot, very smooth and clean looking.
i have been using mint (cinnamon) too for like a year and a half. every now and then i try another distro and a few more, but i always land back where i started. it even looks pretty with the “sweet dark v40” gtk theme.
Mine was when they have windows 8 out for free for a limited time. Then I wasn’t able to go back to 7 somehow. Was already into linux by then. That just made me commit 100%. Gamer, CAD user, but still haven’t looked back.
or a distro using kde plasma.
Remember when Windows XP reached EoL the first time in 2009 and people abandoned it? Yeah, me neither, but I remember Microsoft groaning and extending some support for a few more years, until the final EoL in 2014. I expect the same to happen to 10.
Maybe they’ll drop the fake requirements from 11 so people can actually upgrade to 11 from 10.
Jut put my Mother on mint. Her windows 10 pc is reaching EOS, and I finally convinced her that having to buy a new computer every several years is unacceptable.
Plasma is more similar to Windows Plasma is more customizable Plasma is just as beginner-friendly Plasma has more features Plasma is more actively developed Plasma looks better
Don’t get me wrong, Cinnamon is fine, but it gets recommended religiously to beginners for some reason. It just doesn’t make sense, so I will keep repeating this, not least to keep alive the ancient linux tradition of Desktop wars.
Still, any Windows to Linux transition is a step forward and I support this, upvoted.
As someone who has extensively used both Cinnamon and Plasma: I find Plasma a lot less polished, by a huge margin. Not only do settings have unusual defaults and are located in places you wouldn’t expect, it also often has desktop-breaking bugs out of nowhere even in stable versions, and this has only gotten worse with Wayland. Even as someone who has been using Arch for years now, I still struggle with getting Plasma to not shit itself every once in a while.
Cinnamon on the other hand does have a lot less features out of the box, but the few things it does, it does them well, and every setting is where a sane person would search for them.
I would not recommend Plasma to a Linux beginner at all. It’s the kind of unpolished mess that would make anyone who doesn’t care enough about computers to just give up and go back to Windows.
Hm thanks for sharing your experience, it’s very different from mine though. Have you used Plasma recently (Version 6+) ? And have you used it on a distro where it came pre-packaged? In my (limited) experience any DE installed on Arch is janky out of the box.
I am running Plasma 6.2.1 as we speak. Admittedly, yes, using Arch has certainly made it less stable. But more often than not, when I search the web for some strange behavior/bug/limitation in my desktop, I often find dozens of threads with lots of people reporting the same misbehavior or limitation from all over the distro space, and I have come to the conclussion that it’s not entirely Arch’s fault at that point.
Have you done literally any customization to panels? I swear that shit keeps crashing whenever I do so much as unpinning a simple app launcher plasmoid, and even if it didn’t crash, it still takes patience to navigate through all the menus. They completely overhauled the way panel settings look and behave, and I still find the experience annoying as hell. In contrast, customizing panels is pretty straightforward in Cinnamon, and works as expected. It merely doesn’t look as good.
I don’t hate Plasma, or else I would have switched to another DE by now, but this is mostly because I have learned to tame it, and that took a lot of effort that no beginner should have to go through. Cinnamon is like, the polar opposite of that, which is why I’m okay with it being religiously recommended to beginners.
KDE’s priorities are just kinda weird. I have the similar issues with Krita, an otherwise excellent drawing program.
- Plasma is more resource intensive, and this meme is specifically about machines that are 7-10 years out of date
That’s a good point!
Plasma is more resource intensive,
maybe back during the plasma 4 days, this meme needs to go away
I’d say kde plasma is closest to windows 10 while Linux mints cinnamon covers vista, 7, 8.1 and 11
For me kde is closer to windows 8.1 10 and 11
i fully disagree with windows 11 with every part of my being(i came from 11)
The Taskbar atleast
- Plasma is wayy more buggy in cinnamon (Alteast my experience)
Plasma and Cinnamon are two different Desktops, one can’t be in the other :) Did you mean Plasma on Mint?
No Plasma on Kubuntu,KDE neon,etc
I will likely go back to mint once Windows 10 is done. 11 is pure trash.
The major hang up I have is gaming. I have an Nvidia card and it’s never behaved well with Linux. I also like GTAO but I will no longer be able to play it. Most of my other titles work fine.
I don’t know what I’m going to do yet.
i heard good things about Bazzite abd Ubuntu/Pop OS with nvidia support
pop!os reportedly packs in and handles the proprietary nvidia drivers for you, which can be a pain to handle yourself. i haven’t tried it nor do i have nvidia but i see it highly recommended a lot.
Am using Pop!_OS for video editing (DaVinci Resolve Studio) and gaming with nvidia GPU. I don’t have to think much about the operating system or GPU drivers, they work perfectly fine and get out of the way when I need to do some work.
Also have it installed on both kids’ PCs (both with nvidia GPUs) and my wife’s laptop (AMD iGPU). My son has installed a few GNOME extensions to customize; my wife and daughter have left it pretty much stock. It’s about as unobtrusive as an OS can get.
I will always have a special place in my heart for EndeavourOS, but right now, I feel like I have a more solid foundation with Pop!_OS.
have you tried Kdenlive and Olive? i heard those are very advanced and open-source. I will also switch to those from InShot
I got my start with kdenlive and still pull up some of my old project files in it, yeah. It’s really good, has a much better feature set than one would expect.
I got into the Blackmagic ecosystem with an Intensity Pro 4k capture card and was pretty happy to see that they offer native Linux support, even if it is for Rocky 8, so I snagged one of their Resolve Speed Editors, which came with a Resolve Studio license, and I’ve been using that ever since.
I switched to Linux Mint several months ago. Thanks to Proton, All my Steam games that I bought for Windows run great. (I’m using an nVidia RTX 3060). And any older games like “Deus Ex” or “Giants: Citizen Kabuto” run under Wine, using the default settings.
I too am in a conundrum. I like the idea of Linux a lot, but pretty much all I use my laptop for is a) Excel and b) very rarely games, neither of which make sense to use Linux for.
I’ll build a home server at some point and I think that’ll be my start.
Have you tried Libre Office? It’s an open source Microsoft Office alternative that works pretty great. You can try it on Windows.
In my experience people who really use excel are always going to need excel.
Also in my experience excel runs great on Mac Laptops, which are so much better than any other laptop I’ve touched in the last 20 years. If you’ve tried their touchpads you’ll know what I mean. Total game changers for truly mobile computing.
In my experience people who really use excel are always going to need excel
That’s my experience too, unfortunately. LibreOffice is lagging too far behind O365 on features that you can reliably cooperate on spreadsheets across applications. Something like e.g. XLOOKUP is a fairly recent addition in Calc.
If your system supports windows 11 then dual boot for the games you want windows support for.
Then you have a bare metal option for those games and you can run whatever distro you want along side it.
I started on mint a couple months ago and so far I’ve tried as many distros as I could find. I liked manjaro but then found out about their controversies so I’m currently on endeavour os. Half of the fun for me has been experimenting with different desktops and whatnot, which has gotten me back into computer stuff.
Which Desktop did you settle on as a favorite?
I like KDE and xfce. My hardware is pretty old so I appreciate how light xfce is, but I like KDE connect too.
What are these Manjaro controversies?
They are starting to test opt-out telemetry and from what I read, it sounded pretty invasive. I’m no tech genius though so I’d check the links in that other comment.
Damn. My 10 year old HP all in one is gonna be bricked? Damn shame
Download the Windows 11 ISO and tick an option to mitigate the new requirements in Rufus. That’s all you have to do. Or download the Windows 10 IoT iso from massgrave. Supported until 2030-something.
I think it needs to be retired. I strictly using it for streaming shows and it’s about a 30% chance that I have to do a hard reboot for that to work. It’s had 2 factory resets and a number of internal cleanings. It’s dying bro. It’s time to put it down
Fair enough. Tho if you do discover some functional hardware that’s unsupported by W11, know that you don’t have to turn to Linux at all.
Fuck it man, I’ll take it, you can still spin that up with Linux and run a bunch of microservices on it. Not a great form factor for a server, but guess what, if these China tariffs take off, you’re gonna be so glad you have a 10 year old machine to have around for extra compute power, since buying new compute will be obscenely costly. (Assuming you’re in the USA of course, if you’re in Europe you’ll be fine)
I gotta figure out how to transfer my PLC software first lol
Install Linux if you still want use your old computer
Not particularly lol. Probably gonna retire it and give it a heroes funeral for lasting as long as it did
nah, for old computers, you can’t get anything better than MenuetOS or its fork, KolibriOS. That will run on my flipflops too. recommended system requirements: Pentium MMX (this is literally from 1997), 32 mb ram (yes, you read that right), 1.4 mb (entire operating system size with preinstalled programs, yes it is something else), any vga adapter released after 1995
Huh, and i just installed it on my secondary computer (laptop). Maybe i should setup a dual boot on my main one soon and disable network communications in the windows partition, and then migrate ny files slowly until i can confidently get rid of that partition.
Mount the partition in Linux and migrate it all?
I personally thought I’d miss parts of windows, but the consistent bombardment of bing search results when I wanted to search my computer for a filename, application or just fucking anything drove me to curbstomp all my windows installs.
That and the ever changing settings menus, having to delve through shit sandwiches to end up in an antiquated but familiar window to change a setting was a fucking nightmare.
Honestly, if there was a bit more KISS happening within windows I’d probably have not moved OS - but Microsoft’s never ending desire to change what really worked for so many years drove me to where I am.
You do you, I’m not here to convince anyone to migrate OS, but having some level of semblance and control - for me is such a relief. Probably some of the ASD + ADHD coming through but I’m sure there are many typical folks that feel the same way.
Ow I can upgrade, I just blocked TPM motherboard side to stop windows from doing it.
But in the end I really would like to give Linux a shot, these days I basically only play steam game or watch a movie, most of it should be easy enough nowadays in linux
Nah, not for me. I’ve known to use Windows OSes beyond their EOL support. I remember having still been on Windows XP while everyone else went to Vista and then to Win7. When I got to Win8, it was only because I bought another computer from a friend that had it, that was how I got upgraded.
I don’t abide by when Microsoft wants me to upgrade by, if they can pull their heads out of their asses (unlikely) for Windows 12, then I might consider.
Do you disconnect your EOL machines from the internet then?
Bc using an OS that doesn’t get security updates is just asking for trouble, especially if you connect it to the internet
I’ve not once ever contracted a virus or anything malicious whenever I’ve had an EOL OS online.
I’m not that fucking stupid. You just need to know your shit and know where not to go, if there is anywhere to go.
That’s not necessarily going to happen to Windows 10 the day support ends, but do you really want to gamble on when it will?
To be fair, they connected the XP and 2k machines directly to the internet. Normally you have a router in between nowadays which makes such infections way harder.
right? end of support has never meant end of useful life in my experience. I went from 98 to vista. don’t inconvenience yourself is my main advice to people looking to switch. Shit I’ll probably be installing win 10 LTSC at some point even though I’m all in on Linux as a daily driver already.
