A line break is a non-printable character. So it would only work in the scope of electronic storage. The minute it hits other media, the line break character is subject to how that media handles its presence, and then it is lost permanently from that step forward.
Plus, many input forms make use of validation that will just trim anything that isn’t a character or number, removing the line break character.
As someone with a very mildly unusual name, I can tell you that it doesn’t matter whether a system could or could not meaningfully represent the name. Often the people or systems just refuse to acknowledge any deviation from what’s expected. Sometimes databases are written to enforce arbitrary grammatical rules that make my name impossible to write, or the people using the systems will just “correct” the “error” without telling me. I don’t mind that much but our normative systems just love to homogenise us.
Because sadly we live in a society, and normal names are required for the functioning of society.
No they’re not. They’re required for us to be catalogued and managed by a state, to our detriment and the enrichment of the ruling class.
“Normality” is a fucking scam that keeps your imagination in check, so you never look outside your assigned box and realise you don’t have to belong to anyone.
You have no idea how much genocidal violence has been done to condition our society to accept a dystopic phrase like “normal names are required for the functioning of society”.
Your mind has been caged.
You’re right.
I just want to say that my last name is three syllables and spelled exactly how it sounds. In fact it’s two common english words stuck together. It was Americanized/Anglicized from Germany.
Three syllables will break brains on people here. I state it clearly. They’re like haha what?
For the last 9 years I’ve just been handing over my work ID badge so they can type it.
I probably said it too dramatically, the kinds of people that need to hear it will just knee-jerk dismiss me, but seriously think about the phrase “normal names are required for the functioning of society”. What a wild-ass thing to say. Required why? Is society really that fragile? Sounds like maybe it should be replaced by something that can handle the occasional mildly spicy letter. Mine isn’t even that spicy, it’s like whole-egg-mayo levels of spice.
It’s hard to believe but it’s just a couple people being shitty. Many probably agree sadly, but damn, get with it people !
I understand all the crashes database, Bobby Tables arguments. But shit, just update your system to accept Unicode and we’ll live happily ever after. At least my child 🍆💦ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪ will be finally recognized. 🤙
That’s a beautiful name.
A line break doesnt have to be electronic only. You just… start a new line on the paper.
If it were somehow legally allowed, the sanitization would be incorrect.
“ethics aside” truly a starter for a qa
“We call her Carrie, because of the carriage return.”
You can also try to give the child NULL as middle name for additional fun.
Ca\r\rieHey “java.lang.NullPointerException” can I borrow your pen?
someone tried that with their license plate, it turned out well: https://www.wired.com/story/null-license-plate-landed-one-hacker-ticket-hell/
they should have just used rust smh
Yeah, this is his daughter
I just realized that the shitty software on the other side of the divide is casting
nullto ”null", which absolutely explains that issue. What a clusterYeah, I love to rag on languages with weak typing, because of the potential for a bug, but seeing it play out in reality, directly with user input, that’s certainly something else.
shudders in NodeJS
Oh no, it gets worse:
Prank or not, Tartaro was playing with fire by going with NULL in the first place. “He had it coming,” says Christopher Null, a journalist who has written previously for WIRED about the challenges his last name presents. “All you ever get is errors and crashes and headaches.”
Archive link: https://archive.ph/o/Foe1r/https://www.wired.com/2015/11/null/
He is being too nice. He needs to get a lawyer and sue that shitty company for harassment and whatever else.
ETA: The US isn’t overly litigious. We are under litigious if anything.
Large corporations are overly litigious. Individuals can’t afford to be litigious enough.
asking questions like this is how i found out that one of the allowed characters in names in my country is ÿ, which is fine in Latin-1 but in 7-bit ASCII is
DEL.that’s amazing! Aren’t codecs fun
This sounds like it would create a whole list of fun and irritating edge conditions for some poor bugger to debug. Love it.
If someone else has to debug the problems caused by a parent naming their child with a special character, does that make the parent the bugger? 🤔
I can tell you that buggering is not how you become a parent.
How about featuring?
John
Doe, related to Derrick Nippl-e perhaps? (Fry and Laurie)
Always sanitize your Data inputs.
That’s easy, just call it Jhon\nDoe
John\0Doe will fuck with all C (and C based derivatives) software that touches it.
C and C derivatives will be fine unless they’re fucking up encoding.
Which rarely, if ever, happens. Especially with US software.
Nah, it will end up simply as “John” in the database. You need “John%sDoe” to crash C software with unsafe printf() calls, and even then it’s better to use several “%s”
With an address in 's-Hertogenbosch to help people who are lazy about escaping.
This sounds like the start of another sovcit “loophole”
I’d rather include a bell character ‘\a’
Bing Crosby
And that’s why you’re not safe for work.
Apparently no-one did it yet, so I’ll name my child +++ATH0
What’s the answer? I need the link
Just seen that the listing for ; DROP TABLES “COMPANIES”; – LTD seems to have been redacted by the government website‽
Is it missing an apostrophe and a dash? Or they registered the wrong name?
Anyway, the use of quotes seem to have backfired. I blame Excel.
Apparently they didn’t include the single quote at the beginning because they wanted to hint at the exploit without actually triggering it.
(and Lemmy seems to combine two dashes into one)
NaN,
Not a Number, and now Not a NameNaN: „Hey Nanna, can you call the nanny?“
I have an apostrophe and it’s super annoying as some companies see it as a SQL injection hack and sanitize it.
So I’ve received ID with Mc%20dole or they add a space in it. Or I’ll get a work email with an apostrophe but I cant use it anywhere because sites have it disabled. And I’ve missed my flight because I changed my ticket once to add the apostrophe and the system just broke at the gate.
Worse yet many flight companies have “you will not be able to board if your ID doesn’t exactly reflect your details” but their form doesn’t allow it. Even most forms for card payments don’t allow it even though it’s the name on my card.
you will not be able to board if your ID doesn’t exactly reflect your details"
So they care about an apostrophe though? I can see any punctuation being a problem.
I had to convince people to let me on board a plane because my name contain a swedish letter (å). Their computer system translated it into “aa”, which then didn’t match my passport.
That one I can actually see, having an extra letter doesn’t match. Dropped punctuation or symbols (whatever the flair is called) though personally I would understand.
That’s the wrong way of looking at an å.
It’s not just an a with decoration. It actually has different pronunciation and is typically replaced with aa if no å is available. (I’m neither Swedish nor Norwegian, so not 100% sure, but it’s what happened to Erling Haaland).
Similarly, you would replace a German ä with ae. So if my name was Bäcker, it would be wrong to spell it Backer on a ticket. Baecker would be the way.
Yes I’m aware it’s not an a with decoration jfc. I’m saying for computer entries that garble things, I wouldn’t care about matching it up so perfectly (with dropped whatever those things are called) as to not allow someone to board a plane.
“Diacritics” is the word you are looking for.
And unfortunately the kind of people who decide whether people get to board a plane do care about that stuff.
Your name is transliterated in your passport? That’s on the Swedish authorities then.
No, my passport has my real name of course, with “å”. In the airport system and on the boarding pass my name was spelled with “aa”.
I’m amazed that none of your family members have run into the same problem. If I were you I would compare passports with my family.
Always worth posting this classic.
Also relevant: https://www.wired.com/2015/11/null/
This is going to be bobby tables isn’t it?
Edit: It wasn’t?!
Lol I went through the exact same process.
There’s also the version with examples if you want to know exactly what and why it breaks.
And the git that collects all of these in one place, if you want to really nerd out.
Been there, seen that, had to deal with it. Now add the problem that there are people who don’t know their birth date or not even the f-ing year they were born in. And I’m not talking about someone from a lost tribe at the Amazonas.
%20 is encoded space if I remember right, so even then they were already incorrect
It sounds like maybe they sanitized the apostrophe to a space and then encoded it
Yep, the apostrophe would be %27
So Mc%27dole
I have an apostrophe and it’s super annoying as some companies see it as a SQL injection hack and sanitize it.
My surname contains a character that’s only present in the Polish alphabet. Writing my full name as is broke lots of systems, encoding, printed paperwork and even British naturalisation application from on Home Office website. My surname was part of my username back at uni, and everytime I tried to login on Windows, it would crash underlying LDAP server, logging everyone in the classroom out and forcing ICT to restart the server.
everytime I tried to login on Windows, it would crash underlying LDAP server, logging everyone in the classroom out and forcing ICT to restart the server.
Now that’s the way to do it! Make it everybody’s problem, not just yours.
… why are you putting an apostrophe in McDole? The O-apostrophe in Irish names is an anglicisation of Ó, eg. Ó Briain becomes O’Brien. Mac Dól would become MacDole/McDole.
Mc’Dole is what they said, not McDo’le.
Yeah fuck this guy for spelling his name the way it was given to him what an asshole
Probably some bureaucrat decades ago making an incorrect assumption that passed down through generations. Happened to my family. No Irish roots whatsoever, yet somehow we ended up with the annoying form-breaking apostrophe in our ‘legal’ name just because it begins with the letter ‘o’.
“Oscar??? Surely, you’re mistaken. I hereby decree your name to be O’Scar!” ~Arsehole circa 1937
Yep also happened to my family. There is a y in my family name, but that’s very uncommon in the Netherlands, my last name is of French origin. So some bureaucrat changed it to a Dutch y which is an ij and there was no time to correct it since my grandparents had to catch the boat to flee the former Dutch colony. Now my last name is constantly pronounced wrong. I’m probably going to change it in the future but in the Netherlands you are not allowed to change your name except for a few exceptions. And applying for a name change cost a lot of money and you won’t get it back if they reject it. So I probably have to get a lawyer to do it.
Yeah, I’ve considered a name change myself. Decided not to bother as it would mean every time I need to prove my identity to a government organisation I’d need to provide additional change of name documentation.
Government is hard enough to deal with as it is without adding an extra thing that needs to be assessed.
Hey Militant Left, just because every question directed at you assumes you are an asshole, doesn’t mean the same applies to questions to other people
Spent lots of effort to get names for my kids that avoid this. Swedish/French. It’s harder than it sounds.
I have an apostrophe
Scottish/Irish?
some companies see it as a SQL injection hack and sanitize it.
Which kind of apostrophe?
A straight apostrophe, fine - that can and does get used in valid SQL injection attacks. I would be disgusted at any input form that didn’t sanitize that.
But a curly apostrophe? Nothing should be filtering a curly apostrophe, as it has no function or use within SQL. So if you learn how to bring that up in alt codes (Windows, specifically), Key combos (Mac) or dead keys (Linux), as well as direct Unicode codes for most any Win/Mac/*Nix platform, you should be golden.
Unless the developer of that input form was a complete moron and made extra-tight validation.
Plus, knowing the inputs for a lot of extended UTF-8 characters not found on a normal keyboard is also a wee bit of a typing superpower.
Same shit with American custom forms. On the one hand, they threaten you with Armageddon if you fill out the form incorrectly, on the other hand, they only allow plain letters, numbers, and a handful of special characters. Nobody there has the capacity of the mind that maybe a name cannot be correctly represented with that tiny subset of characters. So it is simply impossible to fill out that form without breaking the law. And it is a customs form, so they should know that people filling it out are most likely foreigners.
Unix or dos format?
Anyway, you probably need to put a backslash before it to indicate line continuation.
But wouldn’t it be better to use something more traditional, such as <br>?
HTML is more traditional than
\n?True, poor choice of phrase.
But I was thnking of something like
#define my_macro does not fit\ on one line
